A conversation with Prof. Isaac Levi : "Alumni University Int.l Relations"
Introduction: interview, carried out on April 28, 2013 in Montenegro, on days of very high tension in Ukraine. Professor Isaac Levi deals with issues that in these days are very topical not decades old. We must start with the agreement that established the borders between Poland and the USSR of August 16, 1945. The treaty confirms what had already been established in the Yalta Conference (February 4-11, 1945). It is in this context that Galicia becomes part of the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic. In 2014, Crimea was re-annexed to Russia. Previously, in 1954, at the behest of the Ukrainian Nikita Khrushchev, then General Secretary of the CPSU, the peninsula had been devolved from the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic to the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic. The sale, sanctioned by the decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR, took place on the occasion of the Three Hundredth Anniversary of the Voluntary Union of Ukraine with Russia, voted on January 18, 1654 by the Rada of Perejaslav convened by Bohdan Chmel'nyc'kij. Culture it is indispensable if you enter in any part of the History of Man! Otherwise, be quite, it's better to sleep! Well, now we begin to give some important historical information and not cerebral talkative diarrhea of some exalted of each color flag. Historians people recognize himself because they have the same linguage! Therefore, we said that according to official data, ONE million and 251,170 citizens of Ukrainian origin, they live in Canada, while in the U.S.A. they are about two millions. Given the speed with which such situations can change, perhaps the words released by the interviewee will be confirmed or denied by the facts before they are even published, but in any case I believe that they can offer an alternative point of view to the narrative commonly offered by the media. national. This story could start from a television sketch in Russia. It was December 1994, Ukraine was taking its first steps as an independent state when the New York Times in NYC did not think of promoting a television advertisement that would be quite successful for the new Geographic Atlas attached to the newspaper. The commercial was simple. An unlikely Soviet cosmonaut crashed near an isolated rural house in Eastern Ukraine. Enthusiastic about having set foot on the ground, the man exclaimed: "Matuška Rossija!" (Mother Russia!). A peasant woman, looking at him with disappointment, replied: "Kakaja Rossija, eta Ukraina!" (But what Russia, this is Ukraine!). He, laughing with pleasure: "Ukraina eta Rossija ..." (But Ukraine is Russia ...) she, in a pedagogical way, bitter commented: "Ukraina eta Ukraina!" (Ukraine is Ukraine!).
The sketch's comic guy earned him several bar imitations. Today it is urgent to understand how that plot could have turned into an endless tragedy, a civil war that since 1992 has caused hundreds of thousands of deaths and millions of displaced persons since 2014. For nearly two decades, most analysts have judged Kiev and its recurring crises as the result of a swing in relations between the United States of America and Russia. In the last phase, on the radicalization of the conflict, it was more active than ever: "Washington"! Decided to wear out the Russian Bear by the side and use in play: "the card of Ukraine as a means of disturbance". Today, according to the latest report by the UN Refugee Agency: 800,961 Ukrainian citizens have applied for asylum in neighboring Countries (659,143 have opted for the Russian Federation and 81,023 for Belarus). Ukraine also has 1,228,090 internally displaced people: people who have fled their region of origin and have no intention of returning home. In just one year, between April 2014 and April 2015, the war in the Donbass cost 6,116 deaths and 15,491 injuries, which are, however, entirely conservative estimates.
These are dramatic numbers, which clarify how far the US gamble has gone: a modus operandi, in terms of methods and measures, capable of surprising even Prof. Isaac Levi, expert and honest intellectual whose conscience lasts as well as affection at over 40 years of age. Isaac and me, we were witnesses especially in the days of Maidan and Mariupol'. Downstream from the cold accounting, however, its dramatic consequences remain: "the stories of mutilated children, bombed hospitals, closed schools, rows to wait in vain for a miserable soup.
Unspeakable tensions between the migrants of Lugansk and Donbas and the communities that they - barely - welcome them. Stories of German and British journalists kidnapped and killed, of the chronically ill left to fend for themselves, of mass graves every kilometer, of hostages tortured and killed in the most horrendous mutilations never I have seen in my life something like that, despite my journey 40 yrs in Burundi and Rwanda, Indonesia, Afghanistan, Somalia, Lebanon, Cyprus, Serbia and Bosnia, Djibouti, Eritrea, etc. Barry Weiner, TV journalist, told me that titled a recent video report on Ukrainian displaced persons lost in their own land and never found again. Over one hundred thousand (sources U.N.C.R. 2007). A truly discouraging diagnosis. Ukraine is an incoherent State construction. The result of the sum of exceptional historical circumstances (from Yalta to the collapse of the USSR) and conceived - within the current borders - certainly not to find itself performing the function of sovereign state. The lack of an effective Uni fi cation Center weighs more than anything on this mixture of small Countries. Kiev is unable to keep Crimea, Donbass and Galicia together because each oligarchic periphery has built an Alternative Ukrainian Identity for its own use and consumption in total conflict with other state-owned Ukrainians. Ukraine is also called: "Middle-Land". Ukraine is experiencing a paradoxical battle for its identity, a clash that is played on its borders or outside with even the United States of America as well as Canada, England and Poland (where much of the post-collapse emigration of the USSR) to act as "mafia godfathers" in its system against Russia.
Interview:
R. Vlahovich: Isaac, my dear Bro of all our thousand bizarre geopolitical stunts, everywhere on the world, I would like to ask you if you can help my readers of Blog "Adriaticus - Confidential", on what is happening again, this year in Ukraine (2013). Because from last diplomatic news what I have received, it seems that the current situation there, is the harbinger of an imminent catastrophe. But when we will see our critical images and when we will begin to see them take shape?
Answer Levi: as you rightly began to explain in your introduction, the catastrophe could begin right away. For example, in the Baltic Republics, the U.S. American different Secret Services immediately began to provide ban lists, with the names of all politicians, officials or public employees suspected of being too "close" to the previous regime. In practice, too pro-Russian. There are politicians, of Lithuanian or Latvian origin, raised and trained in North America who were then "parachuted" into the "newly independent republics to become their leaders and lead the political agenda" in a reliable way (for Washington). And this operation was carried out by the governments of the United States, Canada and Poland, because that is where emigration from the Soviet Republics was the strongest. In Ukraine this passage is represented by Mrs. Katerina Chumachenko, whom we know today with the name of Yushchenko. Ms. Chumachenko, who was born in Chicago of Ukrainian parents, has a truly amazing career: she first goes to the State Department, then she becomes Special Assistant to the Secretary of State for Human Rights. She work in the White House under Reagan and in the Treasury under George W. Bush. She is a Nazi in her turn, she has always been very attached to powerful neo-Nazi groups, both American and Ukrainian. Then in 1993 she meets Viktor Yushchenko, who then heads the National Bank of Ukraine, and she marries him. Incidentally, then he will become president of Ukraine. Yushchenko was not alone bought, like so many others, but really co-opted, putting the Chumachenko directly into his bed. On the other hand today we see, indeed we do not see, because here they do not show us, that those who took control of the protests and actually carried out the coup in Kiev are precisely these neo-fascist and neo-Nazi organizations: UNA / UNSO, SVOBODA, PRAVIY RAVIY SEKTOR, which are all parts of the exact same thing, fragmented inside. Chumachenko has always been in close contact with these organizations, indeed I would say that she is part of them. These things don't get organized in 10 minutes.
R. Vlahovich: So what we see in Ukraine today has very little to do with the Ukrainian people's path of self-determination…
A. Levi: Absolutely not. On the other hand, Mrs. Nuland (Assistant Secretary of State for relations with Europe and Eurasia, ed.), last December openly said: "we have invested U.S.$ 5 billion to achieve our goals in Ukraine" and also " we will continue to work to give Ukraine the future it deserves ”. in practice, what future Ukraine deserves is always up to them and only them!
R. Vlahovich: Speaking of this, it is very interesting to hear the intercepted phone call between Nuland and the U.S. Ambassador in Kiev ...
A. Levi: You are well informed. In the phone call, the two diplomats openly discuss who to put in power in Kiev, and Nuland closes the conversation by saying: "and fuck the E.U.", that is it, "and fuck the NATO". This is exactly what we are talking about. But not only. What does it mean when you said: "we have invested U.S. Five Billion in the future of Ukraine"! It is very simple, it means that for many years they have been launching an intellectual hiring campaign. These things are done like this. In a Country where the average salary is 100 euros a month, university professors, writers, journalists, students are chosen and they are told: "do you want to come and work for us in Cambridge, or at Yale, or any, for a year? To U.S.$5.000 per month? "Who is so stupid that can say no to such an offer? Already with us it would be a good salary, but for a Ukrainian it is as if we were offered U.S.$ 12,000! Coming from such a situation, these people naturally fall in love with consumerism and the "Western Lifestyle". And so they are recruited, but not as agents in the strict sense; back home they become propaganda agents. Even without bothering the Ukrainians, for example I am a Professor and I was a fellow of the Wilson Center in Washington, and I personally know many people who have made this path. At that point all readers, or students, or the public, for example, will want to enter Europe, enchanted by this narrative.
R. Vlahovich: Culture war, then. It is certainly a "modus operandi" of those who shamefully deal with South Latin America (last fifty years of C.I.A.) who learn to know ...
A. Isaac Levi: I'm sure of it. But then there is the other part. The other part of this strategic work is also that which, so to speak, is done by George Soros as ОТПОР! (OTPOR!) And similar fake philanthropic organizations where there are all "OWNERS" of North Americans Zionist Banks. And you can find, if you know how to read it, in the book by: "Gene Sharp entitled "How to overthrow a Regime". Relationships are established with civil rights associations and movements in a Country whose government is unwelcome to those in charge. These movements are "educated", financed and therefore "de facto" directed. Then it begins. It all begins with a first event, with very shared themes, which are immediately given enormous visibility by the large international media, which inflate the news and often the numbers. And there is already ready, in a neighboring Country when it is not possible on site, some groups that know perfectly well how to use social media and telematic communication. Very often these Regimes do not they mean the media, they don't know the world well and the rules of mass communication, from this point of view are very rough. And so, faced with the opposition that takes to the streets again, the only answer it can give is repression, blows or worse. Exactly what everyone expected. The cameras are already there ready to immortalize and the newspapers headline, here it is the repression! Perfect! Now there is the pretext. You also want for a "Coup de State", you want for an external intervention. As it was done in the so-called "Arab Spring", or in a different way in Syria.
R. Vlahovich: All this, if I have understood correctly, does not mean that the repression is right or not, but it is something that concerns the internal affairs of a Sovereign State. Is that so?
A. Levi: Of course! And then on Ukraine there is an important difference: here we are talking about a President who has in any case been democratically elected, not a dictator. Janukovič is certainly corrupt, but he was elected by his people nonetheless. And the repression of him was initially not violent, just look at the videos. It took snipers and armed demonstrators to raise the bar, but our media has not told us that. When in the same square the snipers take up positions on the upper floors of the buildings and start firing not only at the demonstrators, but also at the police - causing a hundred deaths - the space for misunderstandings is reduced to zero. Above all, however, we must open our eyes to the blatant sabotage of a political compromise laboriously reached on 21 February between the leaders of the European Union and President Janukovič.
R. Vlahovich: If I'm not mistaken, an interesting interception has also come out, which speaks of Maidan's snipers, right? It seems to me a script already seen elsewhere, in Venezuela during the coup attempt against Chavez in 2003, but not only.
A. Levi: There is a precise date for the precedent you speak, dear Bro: January 13, 1991, Vilnius, Lithuania. The Soviet Union is collapsing, and many Lithuanians are demonstrating for independence. Gorbachev, who was still President, sends the Army to guard the television tower, from which someone shoots sniper rifles into the crowd, killing protesters and journalists. We all know how it ended. The shooting was immediately blamed on the KGB, only it wasn't true. Audrius Butkevicius, who later became Lithuania’s defense minister, admitted in an interview in 2000: "I gave that order, I commanded that operation and I gave the order to shoot". And he will say another extraordinary thing: "in front of the relatives of the victims I cannot justify myself, but in the face of history I can, because thanks to that blood I hit the army and the KGB and freed my country". I reproduce below a fragment of the interview with Audrius Butkevicius, who was 31 at the time of the events and which was recently reprinted in the Lithuanian newspaper Pensioner: "I cannot justify my actions in front of the victims' families but in front of history I can. Because those dead inflicted a violent double blow against two crucial bastions of Soviet power, the army and the KGB. That was how we discredited them. I say it clearly: yes, I was the one who designed everything I had worked extensively at the Einstein Institute, together with Professor Gene Sharp, who was then dealing with what was called Civil Defense. In other words, he was dealing with Psychological Warfare. Yes, I designed how to put things in a situation. It was difficult for the Russian army, in a situation so uncomfortable that it made every Russian officer feel ashamed. It was psychological warfare. In that conflict we could not have won with the use of force. we had it very clear. For this reason I managed to transfer the battle to another level, that of psychological confrontation. And I won ”(<www.megachip.info>). And the phone call you are referring to speaks of precisely this: Ashton (Foreign Minister of the European Union) is at I phone with the Foreign Minister of Estonia, who tells her: "The snipers who raised the level of the fighting in Kiev fired the same weapons at both policemen and demonstrators, on both sides, and it does not seem that they were at the Janukovich's orders. And given that the new government has decided not to allow any investigation into this fact, it seems likely that those snipers were working for the current government coalition. " On the other side of the phone, Ashton says practically nothing.
R. Vlahovich: So what role was the European Union and NATO they playing? There are rumors of European Intelligence Agents who would have played a role in the Maidan protests, and also of paramilitary camps that have been active for years, particularly in Poland, where Ukrainian neo-Nazis have been trained. What can you tell us about this?
A. Levi: for the moment they are just rumors, nothing else. Personally I think they could have trained directly in Ukraine, in Galicia. And that both Yanukovych and the Russians pretended not to know. Yesterday a friend who knows Polish very well told me that an article recently appeared in a newspaper in Poland, in which it was said that, among the Maidan protest groups, there were agents of the Polish Ministry of the Interior at work. Anyway, things will come out, over time, because there were hundreds of cameras in Maidan, and the information will come. But it will be too late, because what many have not yet understood, including the Italian left, which understands nothing about communication, is that the use of news in today's system is absolutely immediate. After you can release whatever you want, but the version that is delivered to public opinion and that remains is the one that arrives immediately, the rest are read by four and in any case it appears less and less authoritative. The European Union initially did not move in a compact way, quite the contrary. Now they are all more or less aligned with Washington, some stammering, like Italy. But in the beginning the operation was supported and conducted only by a few countries: France and Great Britain, to begin with, but also Germany and especially Poland, probably without informing or consulting others. Hence, the EU did not act as a single entity. In general, however, we see a Europe subservient to the plans of the United States, which, far from conducting diplomatic initiatives and working for Peace, launches into this unilateral condemnation and grinds its teeth towards Russia. If the situation continues on this path, in a short time there will be a direct military confrontation between Russia and Ukraine, perhaps after the referendum in Crimea, but I think even earlier. After that, if that happens, the Washington cleaner "NATO" will step in, and in that case a very, very serious war would break out. God forbid.
R. Vlahovich: It is a very worrying scenario indeed. But why conduct such operation, for what purpose? And why now? Only to discredit Vladimir Putin as long as there is time, while during the Olympic Games the Sochi so much that in fact, he could not have answered?
A. Levi: Definitely for this, of course. Vladimir Putin, together with Xi Jinping, prevented the NATO invasion of Syria and is at the head of a Russia that truly faces the world again as a great power, moreover one that is growing. A leading actor on the international scene. But this is not sufficient motivation, there is much more than this at stake. It has been said that the point of the matter was Ukraine's entry into the EU, but the truth is that we want it to join NATO immediately, as we did with the Baltic Republics, and place the missiles a few hundred kilometers from Moscow, as well as controlling the Black Sea. Also, this morning I was reading an unsigned article in the New York Times, which made an analysis of how long it will take for the United States to extract, with fracking technology, enough gas to they can be the ones to supply Europe, rather than Russia, as is currently the case. The answer is that it will take a few years, and indeed the author advised Barack Obama not to press the accelerator too hard. But this explains some things. The idea is to remove Europe from its energy dependence on Russia, to lead it to PURCHASE THE NEW ENERGY DEPENDENCE FROM THE USA AT TRIPLE THE PRICE. Ready to tell us in 2014, when relations between Europeans and Ukrainians will finally break down, they, the Americans, will finally be able to say: "but we will give you the GAZ!" ... Please Europe pay dearly US $ 1300 billion per year.
R. Vlahovich: And at that point, who in Europe could oppose, or even just question, any US-EU free trade agreement, such as "The Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (T-TIP) is an ambitious, comprehensive, and high-standard trade and investment agreement being negotiated that is being discussed in recent months and which in any case raises some problems"?
A. Levi: Exactly! This is the point: no one could question either this or other such treaties any longer. On the other hand, negotiations on this agreement broke off last year, after Snowden’s statements on US espionage by European governments, but have already resumed as if nothing had happened. This morning I was just reading the latest statements from Snowden, who said that the NSA has turned Europe into a "great information bazaar". In a context of energy dependence, what room for negotiation would there be? The crux of the matter is that the Zionist Banking Empire knows very well that we are entering an era of scarcity of resources and that competition for access to them will be increasingly fierce, so they are preparing. They are preparing to keep their role, and also to fetch the resources where they are. All the analyzes that do not take this scenario into account are incomplete, indeed more than incomplete, they give just the wrong picture of the situation.
R. Vlahovich: My dear Isaac, sorry for me, but if things are really as you are saying, does it mean that all the major European Media have systematically lied also on the Ukraine issue since 1994? And why would they do it? Should we think that all Italian or world journalists have taken money from someone to tell and write falsehoods?
A. Levi: No, that's not the case. The money under the table to spread the news that is convenient for someone does exist, of course. But even where this is not the case, because there are still today brave and indipendents journalists - corrispondent, the problem is in the career system. That is, if the journalist already knows that the Editor of the Newspaper does not like certain news, he often does not even propose it to him, because he knows very well that both the article and his career will be cut off, and that in his place those who write only what they say will advance. He wants them to write. Those with a little more conscience, when they know they will have to take part in something they don't like, they get sick or take vacation. I'm a professional, I know how these work.
R. Vlahovich: Come on! But no, I'm sorry, are you saying that, as a practice, they don't even verify the news or the sources?
A. Levi: But absolutely NOT! They verify nothing, nothing. You must already know what news needs to come out. They come to work, they look at the big news agencies, who work 24 hours a day, and with a little more refined copy-paste job they make the newspaper, or the website. They know that the news that has to come out is the one there, already decided by others, and they know that if you get in the way of this agenda of the day you go to have problems, so they don't.
R. Vlahovich: I understand. Do you have any considerations to add, right now in closing?
A. Levi: oh Yeah, Stefan!! All of these manipulation processes work because they are studied with precision, as People who do it for a living and very seriously, they are not amateurs, they don't do it for fun. And the public opinion, in the great majority, do not suspect such unscrupulousness, such a refined cunning in manipulation. But those who do this are professionals, they know very well how to do it, and it must never be forgotten. The result is what the philosopher and political scientist Isaiah Berlin defined as the "Lands of Borders Syndrome", or rather a nationalistic exaltation, often artificial, which resembles that which, in a different but not accidental way, described the course of Napoleon Bonaparte , the Georgian Josef Stalin and the Austrian Adolf Hitler.
Conclusions:
«It must be recognized that the geopolitical question of relations between Russia and the United States of America, Canada and England implies a profound cultural fabric of the constant ignorance of which causes significant consequences in the field of International Relations. In a certain sense it can be said that in this delicate framework of relations between states, but also between Cultural Universes, whose Culture is called Geopolitic. In other words, Cultural Nodes constitute a leading component of Geopolitical Equilibrium ». Western politicians have never said anything about the relationship between Russia and Ukraine, about the DEEPLY link between these two worlds. They completely ignore "THE WORLD OF "MOTHER RUSSIA AND HER RELATIVE CODES". At best, what they do not understand they have dismissed with the generic statement that the First Russian (East Slavic) State was born in Kiev. That's all. As if it were so simple, the element of contact was exhausted to this - to an umbilical cord more than a thousand years old - the matter would probably not have produced the tragedy we are witnessing. The crux of the matter is therefore different. Every major turning point in Russian History has had Ukraine as its Theater. On May 31, 1223, when the Mongols definitively defeated the first Rus', mortgaging the next two hundred years of history, they were on the Kalka River, in Ukraine. Also in Ukraine, in Perejaslav, on January 18, 1654, the Rada of the Ukrainian army and landowners considered three possible fates - loyalty to the Kingdom of Poland, the Ottoman Empire or Muscovy - ultimately opting for loyalty to the Tsar Alexis II. On 9 July 1709, when Peter the Great defeated the army of Charles XII of Sweden by breaking Russia into European history, he was in Poltava, Ukraine. And I could continue for a long time, citing the Napoleonic route, the Crimean war, the Second World War and the Soviet History of the entire post-war period. It is VERY HARD to believe that this complex past has been silenced by our media out of mere provincialism. Or worse still when small and inexperienced Press Freelancers deliberately distorted the facts when the "STEPAN BANDERA MASSACRE" loomed over an enormous portrait of a square that claimed to dream of the West. Well, you maybe have some doubt, well: FIRST you have to have him come or not? Who was Stepan Bandera? Born and died 1909-1959, son of a Uniate Shepherd, he grows up in a small village in Galicia. Here he begins to develop his patriotism. He joined the OUN (Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists) in 1931. In 1934 he is arrested for a terrorist attack. Released from prison in 1939, his point of reference is Andriy Mel'nyk, co-founder of OUN together with Jevhen Konovalec '. Liberated and arrived in Krakow, the headquarters of the Germans in the occupied lands, he breaks with the old guard, establishes his current and opens up an ambiguous alliance with the Nazis: a policy that will lead him to lead an insurrectionary army that has distinguished itself for the massacre of civilian populations, in particular Jews and Poles, as well as for hunting Soviet partisans. For a short time Bandera fought against both the Nazis and the Soviets. In 1959 he was executed in Munich where, protected by the United States of America and to think that he worked for the radio station Svoboda-Radio FreeEurope. And we come to the civil war and the last year of convulsions of 2004. Regarding the Donbass, Crimea and the legitimacy of the legal instruments used to proclaim the right to self-determination, the interesting essay by Joshua Corwel clarifies the lawfulness of the use of referendum and the legal framework within which Ukraine could continue to exist in the form of a Federal State. Moreover, the differences between the Republics of Yugoslavia, which gave birth to Independent States, were no more marked than those that exist today between some regions of Ukraine such as Galicia and Donbass, which speak languages of (Ukrainian and Russian), profess different religions (Uniate Catholicism and Orthodox Christianity) and have a very distant background and mentality. Not surprisingly, the detonator of the crisis was precisely a liberticidal measure which aimed to ban the use of the language of minorities. In fact, the Russian language and the languages of all other Ethnic Minorities were abolished throughout the Country.
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